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Posted by Andrew Roman on May 18, 2009

schumer rides again

In February, 2008, three months after the House of Representatives passed it, the Senate voted 51-45 to confine the CIA to the 19 interrogation techniques enumerated in the US Army Field Manual. The bill – authorizing the US intelligence budget for the year 2008 – contained a provision prohibiting the CIA from using waterboarding on terrorist suspects. At the time, New York Senator Charles Schumer had this to say:

If it’s good enough for General Petraeus and FBI Director Robert Mueller, it’s good enough for all of America. If the president vetoes this, he will be voting in favor of waterboarding.

Remember that?

Remember the outrage from Chuck and his leftnick bretheren directed not only toward President Bush but anyone who had the unmitigated, barbaric, uncivilized nerve to defend the use of waterboarding when necessary?

To this day, the American leftocracy is still singing the same tune – no waterboarding.

The bad guys will respect us more if we stop the practice.

I am not among those who believe that waterboarding is torture, but as long as I’m quoting the senior Senator from New York, here’s what he had to say about actual torture just four years earlier:

And I’d like to try and interject a note of balance here … We ought to be reasonable about this. I think there are probably very few people in this room, or in America, who would say that torture should never, ever be used – particularly if thousands of lives are at stake. Take the hypothetical – if we knew that there was a nuclear bomb hidden in an American city, and we believed that some kind of torture, fairly severe maybe, would give us a chance of finding that bomb before it went off, my guess is most Americans and most Senators – maybe all – would say, “Do what you have to do.” So it’s easy to sit back in the armchair and say that torture can never be used, but when you’re in the foxhole, it’s a very different deal.”

Here’s the actual audio:

The motif of 2004 – he was for it before he was against it.


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Posted by Andrew Roman on January 12, 2009


Lord knows that President George W. Bush has rubbed this conservative the wrong way on more than several occasions – from his propensity to spend like a Kennedy on kahlua, to his declaration that the way to save the free market system is to abandon free-market principals.

Recall, that it was Bush who implemented a stimulus package not too long ago by sending out checks to taxpayers at the expense of other taxpayers. (It all sounds so liberal, doesn’t it?) What a rousing success that was (not really) – so much so that under our new President, we are going to do it all over again, only this time, exponentially larger in scale. (That’s what makes a liberal a liberal. If something doesn’t work, do more of it).

However, with eight days left in his Presidency, Bush is actually stepping up to defend something that absolutely needs ardent defending from the Commander-In-Chief of the United States (particularly in a time of war) – and it’s good to actually hear him fight back for a change.

Bush is defending his record on interrogation.

Good for him.

Patrick O’Conner of Politico writes:

President Bush on Sunday defended controversial interrogation measures established by his administration, arguing that techniques like water-boarding helped save American lives.

“The techniques…were necessary and are necessary to be used on a rare occasion to get information to protect the American people,” Bush said during an expansive exit interview that aired on Fox Sunday.

Citing an interrogation with Al Qaeda strategist Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, which included simulated drowning, otherwise known as “waterboarding,” the outgoing president said, “We believe the information we gained helped save lives on American soil.”

The Bush administration has been criticized by civil liberties advocates and others for the use of, and legal justifications underpinning, these harsh interrogation methods. President-elect Barack Obama has already promised to review these policies when he takes the oath of office later this month.

One of the great puzzles of the past several years has been this administration’s complete unwillingness to challenge the multitude of false assertions put forth by the cackling left – things have been repeated so often that they are simply accepted as truth.

Indeed, there were no “ready-to-fire” weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq, but the administration has been absolutely silent on the tons of uranium found there (meant for what? barbecuing?), or the endless documents discovered there that do, in fact, tie Saddam Hussein to Al Qaeda in a variety of different ways. Bush has chosen to let falsehood after disingenuous accusation after lie continue to spew from on leftward unchallenged – and it has been supremely frustrating.

But here, the President is standing firm. He rejects the idea that the aggressive interrogation techniques he has defended amount to the condoning of torture.

Said the President:

“I firmly reject the word ‘torture.’ Everything this administration does had a legal basis to it; otherwise, we would not have done it … Look, I understand why people can get carried away on this issue, but generally they don’t know the facts … But I am concerned that America, at some point in time, lets down her guard. If we do that, the country becomes highly vulnerable.”

Is there anyone out there who honestly believes that the past seven-plus years of mainland safety has been the result of nothing more indimidating than dirty looks, name-calling, promissory notes and flaming bags of dog poop on the enemy’s front porch? Save for two car bombs that detonated outside the American Embassy in Yemen in September of last year (killing ten Yemenis), American interests all over the world have been safe from terror attacks since 9/11 precisely because the United States engages in such aggressive tactics when necessary.

Those are the key words: when necessary.

By a show of hands, who out there in the real world believes that bold and forceful interrogation techniques were not used in helping to maintain the security of the United States?

By an equal show of hands, who would be willing to take a chance on how safe things might be without those techniques?

Citing an interrogation with Al Qaeda strategist Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, which included simulated drowning, otherwise known as “waterboarding,” the outgoing president said, “We believe the information we gained helped save lives on American soil.”

In the exit interview, Bush specifically mentioned Mohammed, whose interrogation became a flashpoint in the broader legal debate about the rights of suspected terrorists detained abroad.

Mohammed, a top Al Qaeda strategist, was arrested in Pakistan and eventually flown to a secret detention site in Poland, where he reportedly endured a series of harsh interrogation methods, most notably waterboarding. But Bush administration officials have repeatedly argued that that session with Mohammed gave them leads to prevent other attacks.

2023183793_ec4a92fc95When serious matters – such as national security – are left to the children-of-the-Chomsky left, it is only a matter of time before innocent Americans pay the price. Leftocrats may know how to emote with world-class non-confrontational Zinn moral-equivalency, but the actual safety of Americans needs to be left to the adults. That libs still argue for stopping any and all harsh methods of interrogation for fear that American soldiers will, thus, be treated just as brutally (and worse) if captured in war makes me wonder how lefties can ever be taken seriously at all.

Am I then correct to assume, using dumb-o-crat logic, that if Americans only played nice, then the throat-cutting, embassy blasting, IED exploding, ramming planes-into-buildings Islamo-fascists would follow suit?

The terrorists are following our lead?

Anyone who believes that, stand on your head.

It would surprise me beyond words to know that outside of academia, Young Democrat Clubs, hard-leftists, media types and John Mellencamp that too many Americans are really losing shut-eye over the possibility of human debris terrorist scum-buckets undergoing “intense questioning” – especially when American lives are at stake.

I was not surprised to read, however, that President-Elect Obama “promised to review these policies when he takes the oath of office later this month.”

He views “waterboarding” as torture.

How nice.

That methods of aggresive interrogation don’t always work should not be an issue. There is no institution or practice that is perfect. Should we eliminate police because some criminals get away? Should we abandon the courts because on rare occassions the innocent are jailed? The fact is, aggressive interrogation has worked in the past  – as in the case of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed – and has unquestionably saved countless lives. That alone should keep the option open to anyone who takes national security seriously.

If the choice comes down to innocent Americans versus the toenails, eyelids and nostrils of a terrorist who would slash the throats of my daughters even if we offered back massages and reclining chairs to enemy combatants, there is no contest.


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